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Doppleganger
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 Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: Charlotte Church crossover artist still? |
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Hello all.
First post so be gentle. 
I'm curious as to why Charlotte Church is even a part of this website? She is currently pursuing a career as a pop singer and doesn't seem to be part of this scene at all, other than the fact she's part of the 'Welsh mafia' and has a history of singing classical.
But she isn't any more, so by rights she shouldn't be associated with this site no? |
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Nicola
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Hello 
I'm mixed about it really. It may be her history that gets her on here. I guess there isn't a rule saying an artist always has to be in the classical crossover genre. I do understand what you are saying though. Charlotte has chosen not to be associated with this music anymore so she shouldn't be on here. But she makes good discussion I think. A transition from classical to pop is very interesting and very rarely seen to be successfully done. Can anyone think of anyone else?
I don't really understand Patrizio Buanne being on here neither, as he sings Italian pop songs, not classical. Singing in italian doesn't make you classical 
I wouldn't class Hayley Westenra as classical neither (I'd class her as easy listening), but I'm obviously on my own on that.
I guess it's the way of classical crossover, it's a very difficult genre to define and to categorise into.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Doppleganger, and welcome to the site.
Charlotte was added to the artist list due to her 'crossover' background. As with us all, who knows where our futures lie. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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i agree Nicola , the part about it being a difficult genre to define. even the classical charts dont know where to put things  |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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Right, I appreciate that but her crossover background is years in her past and she's clearly moved on. I just think there's a danger of a lack of focus here. This site should concentrate on the 'here and now' and not the past.
Hi Nic.
I think you're right about Hayley being more easy listening but I guess she's a lot closer to this genre than Charlotte is. I just think it's a bit funny that we're labelling her as 'crossover classical' when she herself has waved goodbye to it, probably for good. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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so your saying because charlotte has waved goodbye to her classical roots we should too. Just because she is doing pop now that doesnt mean people have to stop talking about her classical stuff. Ok thats in the past, but they are still available to buy, so therefor are still worthy of talking about her.
off my soapbox now |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Nicola wrote: | | I wouldn't class Hayley Westenra as classical neither (I'd class her as easy listening), but I'm obviously on my own on that. |
I think easy listening is the most indefinite category that you can put music in. Tell a hard rock fan that Hayley is easy listening. I guess he won't find anything "easy" about Hayley's songs, he'd probably say it's annoying.  |
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Doppleganger
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| rainy wrote: | so your saying because charlotte has waved goodbye to her classical roots we should too. Just because she is doing pop now that doesnt mean people have to stop talking about her classical stuff. Ok thats in the past, but they are still available to buy, so therefor are still worthy of talking about her.
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Not saying that at all. Just find it funny in a way that she can't seem to escape those child prodigy roots. |
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Nicola
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:00 am Post subject: |
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Whilst I agree with you, I like talking about Charlotte Can't seem to do it anywhere else, I know mentioning her in Hayley Westenra forums used to be taboo I can understand where they are coming from though as Charlotte and Hayley are two very different artists and they are foten compared to each other when there is no grounds to compare them on. The only thing they have in common is gender and age.
Can you imagine Andrea Bocelli turning his back on classical and then people not discuss him in regards to crossover? Madness. Couldn't bear to think of it. But since Charlotte didn't make an over whelming impact on the classical field I guess people could move on.
It's fun though
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| sorry i wasnt meant to be huffy, but i think she belongs here Because of her past, (plus it's interesting to know what she's up to now - we all love a gossip ) |
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Nicola
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I think easy listening is the most indefinite category that you can put music in. Tell a hard rock fan that Hayley is easy listening. I guess he won't find anything "easy" about Hayley's songs, he'd probably say it's annoying. |
I'm a hard rock fan... so is, I believe, Doppleganger (I may be wrong, I remember something of the sort.
you may find a lot of rock/gothic/metal/melodic (and all the other gizzilions of sub genres that rocks fan are so particular about) like Classical. They have many similarities. Rock uses the orchestra more than pop will ever do - they also use sopranos and tenors (Nightwish).
Anyway, Easy Listening is a genre I would purely class as 'background music', or 'talented singers that sing boring songs' and so on. Yea, I find Easy Listening boring. Strange that music stores across the UK put Sarah Brightman in that category. I guess they don't know where else to put her. Perhaps.
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apparantly in america Russell is classed as easy listening or new age???  |
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| Nicola wrote: | I'm a hard rock fan... so is, I believe, Doppleganger (I may be wrong, I remember something of the sort.
you may find a lot of rock/gothic/metal/melodic (and all the other gizzilions of sub genres that rocks fan are so particular about) like Classical. They have many similarities. Rock uses the orchestra more than pop will ever do - they also use sopranos and tenors (Nightwish). |
Thanks for the music lesson, Nicola. If you don't like the example of hard rock we could also use techno or hip hop or whatever. It was just an example... the first thing that came to my mind
Well, it's just an idea, but there also might be people who find Sarah Brightman boring, so for others it could fit into your easy listening category. But that's just my humble opinion after all.
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Nicola
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Silly Americans 
Understandable after Amore Musica though. But I would class that album as pop if I wasn't going to say it was crossover. I think the music industry should start treating crossover as a major genre now... it's going a bit too far. They should have their own section in the music store at least.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Thanks for the music lesson, Nicola. If you don't like the example of hard rock we could also use techno or hip hop or whatever. It was just an example...
Well, it's just an idea, but there also might be people who find Sarah Brightman boring, so for others it could fit into your easy listening category. But that's just my humble opinion after all. |
I was aware it was an example but I just wanted to talk about it. Even still you are assuming that fans of these different genres are not fans of classical crossover. Anyone who likes one genre can like any other genre no matter how far apart it seems. And could you please not be sarcastic towards me, it's offensive 
When I said 'boring' I meant music that kind of stays on one level, a lack of diversity is boring to me. I don't think Sarahs 'A Question of Honour' or 'Time To say Goodbye' could be classes as boring. I guess someone could say that really... but I'd think they're weird, because I'm subjective like that.
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